MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Why do Protestants prefer packing?
by jollyroger on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 1:03am
Apparently that's a question that has interested some scholars as well
This: "trigger happy" theorizing I ran across the other day would suggest you need to break down between uptight waspy Calvin-y types and evangelicalis and Pentecostals and charismatics to figure out which might actually use the firearms to cause mayhem and which wouldn't.
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 2:35pm
But what is it about the Protestant view of human nature that would lead one to favor the right to own and/or carry firearms?
Does it go along with every man his own bible scholar?
Presbyters instead of hierarchy, what?
by jollyroger on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 4:15pm
Well, Protestantism is significantly more individualistic, for starters. You, as an individual,usually have a relationship with God, on your own. And if you're on your own, you're more likely to feel threatened, I'd say. Then there's the history of the faith - a couple of centuries of persecution, being on the minority side of the fence, maybe helped create a sense that boosting your own personal arsenal wasn't such a bad idea.
Then there's the fact that Catholics, Jews, Negroes and Indians are evil, and you probably oughta be carrying, just in case you run into one or the other.
by quinn esq on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 7:15pm
Catholics
You mean the invading horde of Papist breeders. The ones coming to take over a still nascent republic by sheer volume of their ruddy or swarthy progeny. Once the misssion was accomplished, they would shred the Constitution and take their instructions from their authoritarian leader, and start with the anti-enlightenment hocus pocus. One could let them have New York, but no further---certainly second amendment type stuff..
More seriously, if you check out that JStor abstract I linked to (which I only found vai a quick google,) it was interesting that in the second paragraph, he is setting up the indiividualistic Protestant ethic explanation as one that has already been easily dismissed in the past, as if no one accepts it anymore. I don't have access to the rest until at a library, but I do wonder what his explanation is, and of others that have challenged it.
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 7:58pm
The swarthy ones are particularly worrisome.
Interesting JStor, in that it seems he's effectively throwing the explanation back in time, to when people developed a strong hunting culture in the South, which I guess he's saying was then carried on.
I find this problematic though, with Pew finding a 20% difference between Protestants and Catholics, and - I believe - only 10%-20% of North Americans being "rural-dwellers."
Maybe he's saying that it developed historically, and has continued on culturally in rural areas (which I could see), losing its denominational basis. But I find it hard to see that this would explain the massive numbers of additional Protestant urbanites who must have guns today, if Pew is correct.
Anyway, you and I are fighting. So stop conversing sensibly, and get back to being elitist, willya?
Thanking you in advance.
by quinn esq on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 9:03pm
You two are such frauds. :-)
However, I was interested in the JSTOR article, also, and having immediate access, present the following (unsatisfying) excerpts:
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Should anyone wish to read the entire pdf, email me through the 'contact' feature and I'll gladly wing it to ya.
by seashell on Sat, 01/15/2011 - 8:05am
Thanks, seashell. Thanks for the offer on full access but from what you added I'll go with your interpretation, looks very "unsatisfying" as you say. Look like he's got nothing much--I recognize the syndrome as I've done it myself--he started out the research thinking he had something, but then...
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/17/2011 - 4:48pm
Very true on the nothing much and the research, aa. What is odd, I think, is that I can find no peer-reviewed type of research on the relationship between evangelicals and guns that shows up so clearly in Pew's polls. This JSTOR article surfaces to the top every time in searches and what's underneath doesn't address the issue.
by seashell on Mon, 01/17/2011 - 5:05pm
I'm pretty damn sure I don't want to be anywhere near an armed holy roller when the spirit comes into him.
Also, you'd think if anyone would have a jones for weapons it would be the catholic fenians, who were tired of fucking around with pikes and shearing hooks, and not the scots-irish who were the "overseers" for the Anglo Irish and probly had uptodate implements of death.
I must be missing something...
by jollyroger on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 10:38pm
Maybe what you're missing is what became the biggest ethnic group of this country. Mostly they stayed away from the urban areas, they were farmers and wanted to farm. On the frontier. Where there might be hostile natives, or gasp, in the earlier times, maybe even Franzozen.
Here on a German-American themed website is a description that would stir any NRA member's heart (not to mention Tea Partiers):
I got to that last page through google. Upon further inspection of the entire website turns out its a purveyor of "get to know your German heritage" goods.
But there's more. I was surprised at how multi-culti has invaded this kind of thing, with nice Polish girl Martha Stewart's face smiling at me near the top. Then I recalled hearing more than one old German lady from Milwaukee tell me the Poles make excellent housekeepers....
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/15/2011 - 12:19am
I am very fond of German girls....I can sense blond dna in the dark at 400 meters.
by jollyroger on Sat, 01/15/2011 - 12:27am
A serious bete noire for gun control advocates that I just learned about:
Vermont.
Zero, zip, nada.controls beyond state records of sale; it's basically: if you are over 16, buy any rifle, shotgun, handgun you like and carry it concealed or open as you like, also "registered" machine guns..
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 3:15pm
that is just plain weird...Bernie Sanders is a senator from a gun nut state?
by jollyroger on Fri, 01/14/2011 - 4:13pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 12:53pm
Gee, I thought the prevalence of troubled individuals was a broad societal problem....How high must the troubled fraction get, do you suppose, before it's not merely idiosyncratic nuttiness but a general climate of mass insanity?
by jollyroger on Wed, 01/19/2011 - 4:37pm