The Bishop and the Butterfly: Murder, Politics, and the End of the Jazz Age
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    Gandhi Curtis LeMay

    So who exactly is on Mitt's foreign policy team?

    Here, for example, is a partial list of some of the more prominent former Bush White House hands now working on the Romney foreign policy team: former CIA Director Michael Hayden, former Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, former Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Eric Edelman, former Pentagon comptroller Dov Zakheim, former State Department Policy Planning Chief and North Korea expert Mitchell Reiss. The roster of George W, Bush veterans also include Robert Joseph and Stephen Rademaker, who both served as under secretaries of State for international security and arms control; former Under Secretary of State for Democracy and Global Affairs Paula Dobriansky; former State Department envoy on war crimes Pierre Prosper, former spokesman for the U.S. viceroy in Iraq Dan Senor; and former CIA counter terrorism chief turned Blackwater executive Cofer Black.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/mitt-romney-announces-foreign-policy-team-171303969.html

    This little squib comes from Mitt's announcement over one year ago.

    But this 'team' is just the beginning:

    Start with Mitt Romney’s foreign policy team. Fifteen of the 22 members were policy advisers under the George W. Bush administration, and six of them are former members of PNAC. Romney's foreign policy white paper, ironically (or purposefully) titled “An American Century,” uses the same rhetoric used by PNAC and Bush-era ground pounders: It promotes American exceptionalism, force projection, and retaking control of the global landscape with seemingly little zest for earnest diplomacy. This makes sense since the report is authored by Romney's foreign policy team, complete with a foreword by Eliot Cohen himself. It is no wonder that Romney is overly hawkish on the Iranian “threat,” since the neocons owe Israel — big time.

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/3662/warning-mitt-romney-s-advisers-are-george-bush-neocons-calling-for-war-with-iran

    And do not think for a minute that Wolfowitz and Bolton are not there waiting in the weeds!

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/11/john-bolton-to-endorse-romney

    Schieffer is a hundred years old and a Texan so I do not predict any relevant questions but Obama better hit Mitt real hard on MITT'S TEAM for chrissakes.

    Anyway, join in whilst we listen to irrelevancy along with 30 second sound-bites from both sides.

    The surprises tonight might jolt us all out of our seats.

    SO JOIN IN THE FUN AND LET US MAKE FUN OF EVERYONE.

    We might just end up with some broken China and shattered Persian Vases; AND the parties might just drone on and on!

    BUT WHO KNOWS?

    PUTIN ON THE MITTS:

     

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    One hour to go and Rachel is happy we are spending time with her.

    The stage is in a 'neutral' setting and Rachel underlines that many votes have already been recorded or allowed or.....whatever.

    Chris Matthews has some silly speech about incumbency and the nuclear age and how our great leader has killed Bn Lauden and ...I am crashing.

    Rachel refers to w bush and I feel better.

    more to  come after I fix this streaming problem. ha


    ALLRIGHTY THEN! FRONT PAGE. HERE WE GO!

    Less than 45 minutes to go and Ed Shultz; my favorite gridironer (is that a word?) well...Chris and Ed and me think that Barry should attack the 'team' of Mitt and Lawrence has his regular smirk (one of only two or three smirks that I really appreciate!) and Robert Gibbs is telling us what the American people are most concerned about!

     


    Okay, now that everyone is present and accounted for; Chuck the Toddy tells us that there are battleground states and then shows us all the important computer Google maps and then shows us how smart he is and tells us that....

    WELL NO ONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN ON THE 6TH.

    (Okay, I must pause here and underline THAT THE VOTING DATE IS TUESDAY THE 6TH OF NOVEMBER NO MATTER WHAT THE ROBOCALLS TELL YOU BECAUSE THAT IS WHEN WE VOTE; EXCEPT FOR ALL THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY VOTED AND ALL THOSE WHO WILL VOTE BEFORE THE 6TH BECAUSE WE ARE AMERICANS AND WE CAN VOTE WHENEVER THE HELL WE WISH TO VOTE EXCEPT FOR FLORIDA OR WISCONSIN OR ONE OF THOSE STRANGE STATES!

    Okay, I shall return.


    Chris Hayes who forgot more than I will never know is having a good time attempting to tell Ed what is what and then Woody Harrelson is telling us about procurements and stuff he knows nothing about except that he is a repub in heart even though he has proven he really does not like repubs...

    Oh the Rev chimes in and he is terrific. Who can really handle the world asks the Rev?

    Well Romney has no idea what the 'world' means.

    Twelve minutes to go.


    Schiefer, who has recently be revived by oxygen or cocaine or some such asks a question about Libya and then the first to answer is Mitt who knows nothing about nothing except following his de-briefing by Bolton tells us that he is proud of the fact that Obama killed Osama--or was it that Osama killed Obama?

    Okay


    Obama is answering the neocon and says:

    Hell we need more troops in Iraq....

    And then Obama demonstrates the double speaks of Mitt and then...

    I realize that I am speaking to myself....

    But that's Okay...

    I usually speak to the TV all by myself anyway!

    Is that psychosis?


    OH OH!  Mitt is on and Obama is calling him out - how do you think Obama is doin?


    I do not think he is doing that bad Auntie. hahahahah

    Oh, he has the history down as far as what Mitt is saying.

    WHAT ARE YOU SAYING TODAY COMPARED TO WHAT YOU SAID LAST WEEK OR LAST MONTH OR LAST YEAR?


    Skipping this one, already voted. Can't stand to watch that pontificating a**hole Rmoney.

    I still think Obama should pull a Romney etch-a sketch, and talk about protocols and the possibility for hitting terrorists with tactical secret weapons from orbit, very Reaganesque. 

    After pundits bluster on the exciting possibilities or frying al Qaeda  from space, for a few days, on our worthless TV news, everyone would forget the details. But they'd remember that Obama seemed more kick ass than the other guy. Which would be worth a bump in the polls.


    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

    NCD he is doing the etch a sketch for sure.

    What did you say last week, or last month or....

    Anyway you have me laughing.

    I thought I was all alone; as usual. hahahahah



    Oh thank you Trope.

    Honestly,

    Thank you Trope!

    ha


    So I guess I should say:


    hahahahahahahha

    my favorite song; which you already know.

    God damn I think, November 6th, we may be assured of going places we never wish we could have. hahahahahah


    Ohio will lead us to the promise land


    42 years later...


    I'm not sure why, but Schieffer is making me nervous.

     


    I would have shown up sooner, but Trope gave me my song. hahahahah

    Schieffer, is 100 years old and a Texan.

    However, Mitt is speaking way tooooooooooooooo long.

    F*&K MITT.

    let's go now Barry!


    Romney is speaking platitudes - Ohio and Wisconsin eyes are glazing over.


    Is he even there?


    At the end yes


    I really wanted Obama to tell Mitt that he heard there might be a secretary of state position open after the election and he'd make sure the president would see Mitt's application.


    Erica, I hereby render unto you the Dayly Line of the Day Award for this here Dagblog Site given to all of you from all of me.

    hahahahahahaha


    :^)


    Mitt tells us that we should have been taking a leading role like when he led so many businesses into bankruptcy.

    Oh Mitt.

    I feel so bad that you never had the type of power that that Black guy has had!

    And I feel so bad that you never had the opportunity to read the secret docs that you would have love to have read and I am so very sorry that the only folks that you could have listened to as far as briefing were fascist pricks like Bolton.

    the end


    Mitt's foreign policy: blah blah blah blah.


    I only know what I know as Bolton tells me.

    God I hate this guy.

    What a rotten human being.

    oh I could go on.

    And I am sure i shall do this shortly.

    haahahah


    Oh yes he did - Obama threw up the Bush Cheney crap that Romney spewed.

    I think Scheiffer is just reading questions like a robot - Romney is going on about economy so he won't have to talk FP.


    Is it me or is Romney blinking way too much?


    I don't think so. cheeky


    hahahhhaahahaha

    I don't know, this comment struck me.

    hahahahahaha

     


    Schieffer is letting Romney just ignore FP!


    I'm at 5 simple steps--we want Obama to ask if Mitt means 12 million MORE jobs than the 10 m that are coming online as a result of his previous policies.....


    That is not a strange perspective.

    What in the hell do we gain from this crap?


    oh snap - the how do you support the military increase question


    Ask him which loopholes, Bob! 

    Which loopholes??????


    Okay Mitt has gone on and on and on....

    Barry is not shining here...

    But he gives some stats on other countries...

    I have asked my staff....

    Another 7 million on what?

    And then you are going to .....

    The math does not work.

    Cyber and space and.....

    What are we going to need to keep our nation safe...

    Mitt is an arsehole


    he brought up the Olympics? Really?


    Great line on SNL this week

    it was the winter Olympics, that is 30 different methods of sliding.

    hahhahah


    Omg...we don't have the same number of horses in our military as we did in 1916?


    Now I am in 1927 and our Navy is down hundreds of billions of trillions of dollars...

    Barry:

    We have fewer horses and carriages than in 1927....

    NOT BAD!

    Mitt looks on like he is in some 12th century saint pic

    God I hate that guy...

    Did I already say that?


    Mitt's army:


    I wonder if Mitt will bring up his good 'friend', the President of Israel......


    he floundering, so if you can send him a quick text to help out, Tagg would like it


    Bayonets and horses. Just brutal. I thought Mitt might cry.

    I'm actually feeling a little worried about Mitt.


    I don't think Obama likes this--pounding on Mitt is like having to put your old dog out of its misery by beating it to death because you ran out of bullets.


    yes


    Erica, I caught this late.

    hahahahahahahhaahh

    THIS IS SOOOO VERY GOOD.

    Sell it to Louis CK or Patton Oswalt or some other goooooooood comic.

    hahhahaahhahaha

    I mean, THIS IS A GREAT LINE.

    I mean this is not some good line, I mean this is a great line!

    hahahahahahahah


    "so you'd say we'd do the same things, but you'd say them louder..." perfect.


    LET US SHOW STRENGTH BY NUKING IRAN TODAY!

    The we shall not have to take the nuclear option!


    apology tour? really?


    They saw weakness because of the IOUs for those two NeoCon wars sticking out of our pockets.

     

    Jeeezus.


    and rice.


    hahaha!


    Well that is how I used my travels.

    Well let us look at my history......

    We have stood on the right side of history.....

    WHAT IF, SAYS THE 100 YEAR OLD GUY...

    oh let us not get into hypotheticals...says THE MITT.

    FUCK YOU MITT!


    Not getting into hypotheticals is the smartest thing Mitt has said all night....


    I can't watch this anymore. I leave you brave souls to deal with it and will return in the morning to read your reactions.

    Bless yer hearts.


    I CANNOT TAKE THIS ANYMORE ANYHOW.

    hahahahahahahahha

    I hate this M(*&^&*er more than I ever had any idea I could hate anyone.

    WE ARE LOOKING AT BOLTON.

    NO KIDDING.

    THIS MITT IS DANGEROUS!


    Peace.  That there will be those who will put their vote check on the stuttering Romney is enough to justify a mass exodus to Amsterda.


    You know what?

    I really do like you.

    hahahahahah


    i'm working on a charter ship.  do you want a ticket? (i don't think they'll deny us docking)


    Barry looks better right now. 9:02CT

    You said this and then you said that and then....

    Killing Bn Ladin brought closure.

    DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA GOVERNOR WHAT A PRESIDENTIAL DECISION REALLY MEANS?

    HAHAHAHAHAH


    Sweet.  Romney agrees with Biden.


    Schieffer is perfect on Pakistan.


    Over at TPM Josh is pleased.


    Sullivan is calling schieffer a passive moderator and that Raddatz was much better.

    i think Obama is doing good.


    ALL RIGHTY THEN!


    I dunno Aunt Sam I think Bob is doing ok. The bombers in the air question was dumb and I'm glad both guys rolled their eyes at that one, but he's ok.


    The drones are striking? We never should have let them unionize!


    It's the scab drones.


    To Romney: WTF do you mean by "strong leadership"


    We should use all methods necessary just like my friend Obama who is really not a friend but we must kill bad guys....

    We talk about all these things....

    But if I were in charge everybody would change their colors because Bolton and Wolfowitz would save us all.....

    Obama: We have engaged these governments....

    We respect women....

    And we believe in free markets....

    And I like melons...

    This nation decided that we should protect melons and....

    Why is this asshole still talking?


    Let us go to the next segment?

    What should I be most worried about as a 100 year old irrelevent idiot?

    Well jobs overseas, and .....

    Trade track forces...

    More cases against China than the previous 8 year administration, and then Obama stresses that Mitt was too tough on this....

    I love education and tech and babies and puppies....


    The line of the night has to be, "well Mitt we have fewer bayonets and horses too!"

    LOLOLOLOL, Romney is a member of the Know-Nothing party.


    is he ready?

    I know Ryan has been doing the pumps to do work to take on the Bolsheviks. 


    Mac I do not know what lines they are going to hang their hats on...

    but damn...

    I cannot disagree with your assessment!

    I mean you GOT IT! YOU NABBED IT!

    DAMN!


    ROMNEY WANTS A TRADE WAR!!!!!


    Why does Romney have the look of a toddler who has soiled himself on the split screen?

     


    I lost track.

    This might be the funniest line I have ever read.

    haahah


    I'm sure Ann has some wipes to clean up the mess.

    I'm waiting for the ones that wipe of smug arrogance along with the sack of lies and poop that he keeps spewing.


    Okay we got ten minutes left!

    I dunno!

    come on Barry.

    Strike him down!

    I dunno.

    Make him look bad or at least spit at him!

    YOU INVESTED IN COMPANIES WHO INVESTED OVERSEAS. iF WE HAD TAKEN YOUR ADVICE....WE WOULD HAVE NO AUTO COMPANIES....WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD ALL THOSE JOBS GOING OVER TO CHINA...WITH RESPECT TO

     

    (THE MITT SMIRKS WORSE THAN LAWRENCE EVER DID)

    PART OF THE REASON THAT WE COULD.....

    WE ARE SENDING A VERY CLEAR SIGNAL THAT CHINA SUCKS. AND THAT TRADE SHALL ....

    I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL HE IS DICUSSING.

    MITT SAYS: Oh we shall not....i love american detroit cars and my plan would have been that we,,,,and that w bush was wrong was also

    OKAY THEN

    THE PRESIDENT SAYS FRICK YOU YOU LYIN SON OF A BITCH AND WE WOULD NEVER HAVE HAD LIQUIDATED....

    AND THAT IS WHY I HAVE THE KIND OF COMMITTMENT THAT WOULD HAVE LEFT ALL OF OUR AUTOMAKERS ......

    WHAT?


    AIRBRUSH HISTORY

    NOW WE ARE YELLING

    I HOPE SO!

    BRINGING DOWN OUR DEFICITS WILL......

     

    NOT BAD!

    4 MINUTES LEFT!

     

     


    i am so damn angry at the conclusion for mitt's oration that i must hold myself back....oh I LOVEE TEACHERS

     

    SCHIFFER SAYS:

     

    I LOVE TEACHERS TOO!


    how much media time does this get tomorrow? my guess..a lot


    jeezzzz, where did you all go to school? I have to tell you, I hated most of my teachers. I remember on that used to beat me regularly with a yard stick. Hated her! Obama could have played well with people like me by talking about how much we hate teachers.


    Romney: "I love teachers...."  soooo sooooo  pathetic.


    I wanted Obama to retort with, "in the same way you love Big Bird?"


    Can I put it simply: Fuck You Romney.


    Yes

    But I gave the line of the day to someone else.

    hahahahahahaaha


    I shall end this with a song I cited back in September of 2011 when I lost a good friend.

    I do not know exactly why but it seems so appropriate in that the theme of the song had to do with first class vs. coach:


    I end with a reply with one of the greatest films ever: Happy Together


    I had to take a short break so will catch up with all of you later.


    Now we have the post post whatever!

    I dunno, the Rev does not like it.

    TO GO THE OPPOSITE FROM WHAt he said a week ago.....

     


    Ed likes it!

    Chris Hayes says:

    What are they talking about?

    Capability?

    Chris has no idea what the fuck these guys are arguing about!


     avis_Cherry RT @rsalinas3: Dang! CNN quick vote of shows Obama wins 77% vs Romney's 23%. With 4031 votes so far. Good sign for the Pres. #CNNdebate #Debate #Debates


    OH WOW!

    DAMN!


    I don't think the pres is being completely fair to Romney on the Detroit thing. Had Romney actually been president, I think he would have done the same thing Obama did. 

     


    But i dont like those NeoCons so don't have much sympathy.


    If you are watching MSNBC tonight, you are. Hearing a Republican analyst openly admit that Romney decided to lie about his previous positions and cling close to the President on the Middle East.

    Romney is the face of the modern Republican Party.They will do or say anything to remain in power.The cynicism is stunning 



    However the election turns out, Democrats will have to adapt to deal with a Republican Party that will deny the facts and previously stated positions to win a political point. There will be no pushback from Republicans challenging Romney for denying previously held positions. This is imply terrifying. How can you believe anything that a Republican says?


    I see a bunch of CNN talking heads saying that Romney just needed to play it safe and look presidential. I think they're wrong. The race is a lot closer than it was a few weeks ago, but Romney is still behind. He needed another win to pull out ahead. And he did not get it.


    Amen Genghis

    See supra

    hahhahahaha


    Nate Silver just retweeted this:


    retweeted


    booo yah


    FAR FRICKIN OUT!

    NATE  WON EVERY SINGLE PROGNOSTICATION IN 2008.

    I WILL TAKE HIS OPINION ANY DAY!


    I think you're right Michael. As I mentioned, I did feel bad when the President had to try to beat Mitt to death with an old shoe. But Mitt did not win this one--instead, the Pres explained things effectively to undecideds and Mitt was not convincing. 


    Btw, I'd like to claim foresight credit on the Benghazi attack. After the Crowley moment, I argued that the Romney campaign should drop it cold. They did.


    Michael,  here's what some may have been waiting for if they want to oh, I don't know, write a blog or fact check;

    http://www.romneytaxplan.com/


    Cute


    Wanna bet that the SNL prop people are frantically searching for bayonets and horses (and most likely some 1916 navy ships)? 

    I gotta say, I am relieved and happy President Obama did so well and Romney was sweating like the pig he is.

    I wasn't kiddin' about the tax blog - hope someone does it.


    Oh this is just sexism!

    Of course, my granddaughter....now she is cute!

    Otherwise this is just plain sexism.

    hahahahahahah


    I thought Obama crushed ol' what's his name.


    do you meaan ol' what's his stuttering name?


    Well he did, on foreign policy. 

    Jury still out on the economy, the message for the next 2 weeks needs to be economy and get out the vote.


    MITT?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAH

    whats his name?

    hahahahahah


    on this night - Romney is the Detroit Lions.



    Trope you outdo yourself every damn time.

    hahahahahah


    only because you fuckin' inspire me.


    Obama holds sway over the five points


    Romney lied about his position on the auto bailouts. Romney told people to fact check  his WSJ Op-Ed "let Detroit Go Bankrupt". If the media does it role, Romney is a liar.


    There is a part of me RMRD  that just explodes at Mitt's responses; but damn....LET DETROIT GO BANKRUPT....

    I mean it is so clear what he propounded at that time....how in the frick do you abscond from that statement?

    Todd likes this.

    Todd says:

    This is no good for MITT!

    And Todd does not retreat from this initial assessment.

    WOW!



    Romney's stupidest lie was when he said, "We don't dictate to other nations". Unfortunately, there is no way for the Democrats to hold it against him.


    The Twilight Zone meets Candid Camera.


    THE world is a bad place, a bad place a terrible place to live....

    OH BUT I DON'T WANNA DIE!

    Yes.

    The Twilight Zone meets Candid Camera!

    Bizarre.

    Oh well, well put!