MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Oklahoma officials prevent school massacre
By Richard Day on Sun, 12/16/2012 - 2:44am |I just found this at Think Progress.
An 18 year-old was planning to be a mass murderer; he was going to somehow get his classmates into the school auditorium and shoot everybody.
I bring this up for a couple of reasons.
First, there is no 'connection' to what happened in CT since the plan was being made at what I perceive to be the same time period as the murderer in CT.
Second, I perceive a 'pattern in thought' going on here.
There are other considerations of course.
I mean I think from everything I have read that it is almost against the law not to own a firearm in Oklahoma. And there are more stringent anti-gun laws in CT.
I would bet that on one level or another there are other attempts at massacres that have been abated one way or another and we just do not hear about them.
I dunno.
This just caught my eye.
URL:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/15/1341761/police-arrest-18-year-old-planning-school-shooting-plot/
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It has been hard to wrap my mind around all this. I have been raising kids for a long time and was a NCO in the Army National Guard with many young men under my responsibility. I do know one thing from my experience is that modern hand weapons of war needs to be reclassified as Title II weapons. Here is the link to wiki on the history of the 1968 Gun Control Act and the NFA firearms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_II_weapons
This law would not of happened but because of all the high profile assassinations. It was built on the New Deal Law that band Tommy Guns.
It is time for the Regan era to end because it is killing our children. Our kids are more important then the profits from gun sales. It is time to stop worshipping the gods of the rich and their money.
by trkingmomoe on Sun, 12/16/2012 - 3:24am
It is very interesting.
Like the "if you see something, say something" campaign in NYC as regards terrorism, you have a situation here that some might call snitching; from the Tulsa World article:
While no one wants our schools to end up like East Germany with everyone snitching on each other for ulterior motives, I don't see any of the other solutions suggested not impinging on some rights, or what many consider rights, either. (I.E., gun rights, rights of the mentally ill or mentally disturbed, rights of other people subjected to searches for security, etc)
When you're dealing with "terrorism," if you want to move to preventitive measures, something's got to give somewhere on the civil rights front.
Rampage killings are similar to what we call terrorism in several ways; two important ones as I see it: virtually all of them are planned, and successful ones are rare. I've seen many liberals/lefties make the argument about terrorism that because successful terrorist incidents are so rare, we shouldn't step over the line in prevention to impinging on rights, but just accept that they are going to happen, and prosecute afterwards. One problem is our legal system isn;'t made to venture well into conspiracy and thought crimes, it's focused on prosecuting actions, not talk.
Are people willing to see some kids unfairly prosecuted for school killing plots in order to make a dent in incidents and in order to make this kind of talk as unacceptable as joking about a bomb in an airport?
Story raises a lot of interesting questions.
by artappraiser on Sun, 12/16/2012 - 3:39am
P.S. In the story there's a suggestion that investigating police did a decent job. In that they went and corroborated the first accusation with separate data, like from a teacher who knew of the kid recently buying a gun and practicing with it. But what happens when the investigators/investigation is lousy? (As inevitably happens, as not all cops are good.) When the snitching is really a set up of someone nobody likes? A kid's life ruined?
What are we willing to risk for prevention? That's always the question. About civilization, how to maintain it. Without security, you got nothing.
by artappraiser on Sun, 12/16/2012 - 3:47am
The other part of this concerns the intelligence of the perpetrator/conspirator.
So let's say there is one psycho for every ten thousand young men (most of them white).
Okay, then there are one in a hundred psychos who are really really bright!
The one in Oklahoma was not that bright. I mean he 'reached out' to classmates.
Of course as soon as we hear 'Oklahoma' we are not thinking of the silly musical anymore.
The CT psycho trusted in no one; as far as we know.
The Aurora situation presented another 'lone gunner'.
The less people that know; the least likely anyone will find out, I suppose.
by Richard Day on Sun, 12/16/2012 - 4:29am
Since the Newton massacre there were (2) killed in a shooting at the Excalibur Casino in Vegas, (3) killed in a shooting at a hospital in Alabama, and (50) shots fired outside a mall in southern California, causing no injuries but panic.
I checked online and it is legal to mail order a 100 round drum magazine for a Bushmaster assault weapon and ship it to Newton, Conn. No problem. The assault weapon itself is OK too "As long as they were either pre-ban, or are neutered (no bayonet lug or folding/collapsing stocks, and have either no flash hider or a permanently pinned one)." But, get this..... you might have to pick the gun up from a 'FFL' running guns from his pickup truck.
An FFL is a Federal firearm license, it allows the holder to buy and sell guns and military style weapons from the home or the pickup truck, Instructions for getting one are here. They have a package deal where you can get a regular FFL AND a 'Class 3' instruction packet for $54.99. The Class 3 allows you to legally own and sell machine guns, silencers, and make or modify fully auto weapons.
One online seller has a list of FFL holders who they can ship your gun to in states that don't allow you to get the assault weapon from Fed Ex or UPS. They ship it there, you pick it up, the FFL may even come by your house to drop it off.
Ables's 'Sporting Goods' explains how that works here.
States violating the Republican Party Platform on magazine size are:
States Prohibiting Large-Capacity Magazines:
by NCD on Sun, 12/16/2012 - 9:26am
by trkingmomoe on Sun, 12/16/2012 - 12:24pm