MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Whatever is ultimately decided regarding Syria, I think that we have finally found an issue where both sides, in the main, have very reasonable and persuasive arguments.
The arguments for action are humanitarian, have long term implications for global stability and, as recently argued by Secretary of State John Kerry, have a certain timeliness in that failing to act now could conceivably result in our having to react to something worse later on. I also buy Michael Wolraich's argument that the use of chemical weapons is more akin to sending soldiers house to house to kill the families of the opposition than it is to the conventional use of weapons on the battlefield.
All of this is to say that I believe that Obama and Congress could send the military into action without ulterior motives. We can take the administration's reasoning at face value.
That said, the opposition is truly loyal here and its arguments are also sound. The situation is complex, the situation seems tailor made to spiral out of control, it seems unlikely we can have the effect we want while also limiting the extent of our engagement the way that we want and, as a matter of global policy the U.S. seems to lack sufficient international support for legitimacy, much less legality.
Then there's the very contentious point about whether or not we really want to help the Syrian rebels. Both sides acknowledge that there are bad actors on the rebel side. The pro-intervention argument is that this is a problem that can be managed. The anti-intervention argument is that we have heard that argument before and that it does not always work out for us, especially in the long run.
My own mild preference is not to intervene as I don't like the risk-reward potential and I don't think highly of any of the Middle East governments that are so eager for us to act on their behalf. I say let them do it. I am also highly skeptical of the "Responsibility to Protect," doctrine and I am annoyed that given all of the times the Federal government has claimed poverty over domestic spending since the Financial Crisis, from mortgage foreclosure relief to food stamps, that nobody questions that we have the money to spend bombing Syria and seeing it through even if things get out of hand.
All that said, I accept that this could go against my preference for pure and decent reasons. Also, I give Obama some Libya credit for management skill. It may be that he can avoid the disasters that I think are certain.
Finally, I recognize that my own answer, do nothing, as a lot of undesirable consequences.
These are times of strident opinions but, overall, I think this particular issue does not call for stridency for either side. If we act, I hope it is done with care, skill and a commitment to the ethics that should define progressive interventionism. If we do not, I hope that decision will be respected rather than dismissed as some sort of shirked obligation.
Comments
I see this effort as a bit of symbolism and an attempt to play the long game in the ME.
Obama makes noises about a limited, morality-based strike in Syria, and takes it to Congress. This gives him points at home, driving home the notion that he's a team player who (ahem) does not do anything without a clear ok from Congress. It also positions him as a "good guy" abroad--"hey, he tried to do something about Assad, he must understand, at least to some extent, the situation of everyday people in Syria." Expect this to be pointed out relentlessly to whoever ends up at the top of the heap there, and played as a recurring meme on the street.
Even if Assad ends up taking back power, he's hardly in a spot to complain about US action, as he did gas his own people, or we think he did, anyway.
Best of all, if Congress nixes the plan, we spend no money but go on record as having tried!
Admittedly a rather cynical take on the situation, but I'd say that unless there's some sort of booby trap that would pull the US into extended hostilities, this is a FP win no matter how it goes.
(And I still think we should reconsider the policy of not assassinating leaders who use chemical weapons on their own people. Just talking about it would shake things up....)
by erica20 on Fri, 09/06/2013 - 11:35am
More likely that everybody is wrong. I just ran across this article, The Middle East in Context, by Tom Whipple:
More and more countries have oil & power shortages, but even more ominously, more and more countries have water problems, which of course leads to food problems, and often leads to tribal conflicts. Heaving a few missiles at them isn't going to make those problems go away.
by Donal on Fri, 09/06/2013 - 12:20pm
William Polk suggests that climate change and the associated drought, draining of the aquifer, collapse of farming, and hunger is a precipitating cause of the Syrian civil war.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/your-labor-day-...
by ocean-kat on Fri, 09/06/2013 - 4:21pm
Your first sentence is exactly what I was going to say. We can't all be right, but we can surely all be wrong.
by Verified Atheist on Fri, 09/06/2013 - 7:24pm
Michael, I think the trap you, and many of us, fall into is our paucity of choices and of imagination. To bomb or not to bomb shouldn't be the only question.
I know "diplomacy" is often thrown out there like a blanket to cover the complexities without requiring much further thought.
"Diplomacy" is the liberal's one-word answer to every conflict. But what does it mean?
I think that is the task: To fill out the word diplomacy. To build broad alliances. Find pressure points. Gain leverage. Shine a constant spotlight.
And in the meantime, focus very publicly on humanitarian aid, including shelter for refugees until they can go home safely.
I have been too focused on the issue of sarin gas, understandably. It is an important issue, but in terms of bringing peace to Syria, or creating the conditions for peace in Syria, it is a small piece of the puzzle. So why bomb that small piece?
Obama has taken special care to reassure us that this will be a "limited" engagement. This is designed to make the bombing feel safe. Instead, he should be working more broadly (if he isn't) to help end the conflict and leave bombing way in the back of his back pocket. He can't stop the fighting like that, and he shouldn't be judged on that basis, but only for using his resources and imagination to foster peace.
by Peter Schwartz on Fri, 09/06/2013 - 1:35pm
I would prefer the US not bomb Syria, it won't bring the region one step closer to peace. Other means can be taken to bring those responsible to justice. I predict that Obama will finally achieve unprecedented bipartisan Congressional agreement, against entering the Syrian civil war.
With the first bomb dropped the United States will incur the responsibility for every death, every atrocity, every refugee and every day that this civil war continues.
It is far past time for Muslim leaders to resolve themselves, the peculiar propensity for intolerance, tribalism and religious discord and violence, that is so much a part of their history. Maybe our Nobel Peace Prize winner President can discern how to help them do that, without the use of bombs and missiles.
If this resolution does fail, the question is, will Obama himself fade into near irrelevancy, not only in Middle East policy, but domestically?
by NCD on Fri, 09/06/2013 - 8:54pm
With the first bomb dropped the United States will incur the responsibility for every death, every atrocity, every refugee and every day that this civil war continues
More and more I am convinced that this is really the crux of the problem. Jon Lee Anderson does a good job of writing on that today.
Here's what I am thinking. Since the U.S. developed a C.I.A., there was always the conspiracy theorizing but it maintained a certain level where the majority of the world did not buy into it. A president like Clinton could lob missiles and not get conspiracy theorizing up the kazoo by everyone in the world because one hit the Chinese embassy in Belgrade by mistake, or another hit a factory in Sudan that turned out not to be exactly as described.
The post 9-11 worlds seems to have changed that. Major major blame should go to the Bush administration with Iraq.
But there is also the "Arab springs" where the tendency to heavy conspiracy theorizing developed under dictatorial reigns has not had the time to wear off yet. While the internet revolution offers long-term promise in that regard, short-term, conspiracy and sectarian suspicion of "the other" can be fed by the internet to the point of flames. (An example: blasphemy and The Prophet.)
Enter Edward Snowden. (Pre-emptive: I am not blaming Snowden for creating that which he is revealing, OK? That's a given. It's the timing that's the problem.) The whole fucking world now mistrusts the U.S.
Put it all together in one package. And it ends up like this: it's hard to envision an example of a situation where the U.S. can intervene militarily without being totally counter-productive. I.E., something like Kosovo > military intervention > Dayton accords can no longer happen. Our reputation is currently ruined for doing anything like that. Obama's methods in foreign policy, as well as his allowing the growth of the surveillance state, have not helped that, but made it worse.
Back to right now.
It's just intuition, based on what has happened so far. And there are many variables in the coming week(s) that could change things. We still have votes and debates to go, the administration's lobbying effects, a speech by the President to the American public, a U.N. chem weapons report coming, etc. But here's what I think right now: the President could drop his quest to act militarily tomorrow and will have accomplished the main goal: Assad's name is Mudd for using chemical weapons. And after vigorously continuing a fight to act at the G-20 meeting, if Assad uses them again, Obama can say to the world: I told you so. So the affect has already been achieved by the threat of action, there is actually no need to go through with it. And though he might continue to fight for the right to do so, he may very well chose not to.
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/06/2013 - 9:22pm
Good points. Assad is almost certainly going to tighten up or prohibit any chemical use anyway as I don't think they really need it. The fact is many Arab leaders are sadistic nutcases. Bombing will not change that fact.
NYT has had reports on the atrocities of the rebels. Add that to the apparent fact that the 'secular western supporting good guy rebels' seem to be Chalabi types who live in London, while the fighters on the ground are to a very large extent Jihadist fanatics or would be warlords, and if Assad falls.....you get what? Not a peaceful secular western style democracy.
I would say Obama needs to take another vacation and leave this chemical use enforcement to the UN or the Hague.
by NCD on Fri, 09/06/2013 - 10:17pm
See my reply to you on this other thread for more thoughts on the jihadi thing.
Glad to get your input on what I said here.
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/06/2013 - 10:40pm
P.S. I initially put in the wrong link; it's fixed now.
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/06/2013 - 10:40pm
Good links, esp the New Yorker guy with the foreign Jihadis.
Libya had no real civil war and consists of a highway on the coast with a few large cities on it, and still the nation seems to be unable to unify, though it is relatively peaceful.
Syria is a basket case no telling when it all will ever end. Maybe the French can pay a Syrian General to knock off Assad and start 'reconciliation'?
by NCD on Fri, 09/06/2013 - 11:21pm
the New Yorker guy
The writer is a woman! Kind of amazing, that. She described in the article that "Omar" helped her over steep terrain by offering her the end of his rifle rather than his hand, because it is forbidden to touch her, since she is not family. And that he forgot twice that it was loaded when he did that!
On Libya, I would just point out that the Libyan intervention was not seen as led by the U.S.
Maybe the French can pay a Syrian General to knock off Assad and start 'reconciliation'?
I was just having a fantasy of the U.N. making Putin take most of the Syrian refugees until his good buddy finishes his desire to kill everyone left that won't vow that Alawite are not kafir but are Allah's chosen leaders. It's not that far from Damascus to like, Belgorod; put em in ferries over the Black Sea. Putin could then have some of the joy he has helped give Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq by supporting Assad in using arms instead of coming to a negotiation table. (I dunno know about doing that to Iran, though, loads of incoming Sunnis, probably not a good idea.)
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/06/2013 - 11:53pm
They have waited too long to do anything in this case. Syria is dispersing its weapons throughout the country increasing the number of targets and potential collateral damage. And attacking now would also give them cover to release more gas and blame US. Plus, Iran and other adversaries have had time to develop and coordinate their own unpleasant responses to any attacks.
At this point, best thing would be to acknowledge that the grand jury of public opinion failed to produce the indictment needed to act but let Assad know in no uncertain terms that if the weapons are used again, he will be held personally responsible. They are his toys. If he cannot secure them then destroy them.
That should give him a new front to worry about.
by EmmaZahn on Fri, 09/06/2013 - 3:20pm
They have waited too long to do anything in this case
Yes. But from all I read, I am suspecting "they" may not do it, see above. Been reading some stuff on the military (including some of what you posted|) and that has also influenced me. Lots of grumbling about being given impossible scenarios to plan for. Suggesting that they are giving Obama stuff that basically says "well, here's what we could do, but it's likely it won't work." It just may be that he will continue to fight to be able to do something just to have that fight, the whole P.R. factor. There are so many variables in the international relations arena swelling up right now, it's like he hit a hornet's nest and he's got to see where the hornets settle before he can back down.
I want to make it clear that I don't think is Obama 10-dimensional chess. Rather, I think he's been messing up real bad. But it's not necessarily the case that all bad is going to come of it. We just don't know. The whole world was gonna blow up in argument sooner or later, looking back the signs were clear.
(Warning, black humor:: Hey, do we need a new world economic crisis to get everyone back on the same page, or what?)
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/06/2013 - 9:48pm
All bad is going to come of it.
by acanuck on Fri, 09/06/2013 - 11:18pm
No good can come from arguing about what to do about Syria? That's what I was talking about. I don't think a whole lot of good came from not talking about it for the last two years.
By the way (to everyone on thread,) it should be noted that despite media spin, it's not true that everyone at G-20 came out against intervention, it's just that it broke out in unusual ways. From The Guardian:
by artappraiser on Sat, 09/07/2013 - 12:10am
Germany backs G20 statement on Syria a day late
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/09/2013 - 3:35am
I want to take a minute to give you kudos, Michael, for such a fine essay on this. More of this type of thing is needed on the internet to counter all the agitprop. You have a real knack for writing about such stuff in a style that "just regular folks"could appreciate; thoughtfulness, it's a way underestimated thing in a period when obsessive-compulsive ranting on favorite memes still seem to rule. Extra added bonus: your big heart comes through loud and strong, not a whisper or hint of ulterior motives.
by artappraiser on Fri, 09/06/2013 - 9:38pm
I couldn't agree more. It's a very well reasoned and very well written piece.
by Verified Atheist on Fri, 09/06/2013 - 10:58pm
Thanks, double A. I am working on my own rant impulse.
by Michael Maiello on Sat, 09/07/2013 - 9:20am
You're doing very well at that. (I dunno if the wrassler persona fits so well anymore, though.)
by artappraiser on Sat, 09/07/2013 - 11:06am
I like this article alot, Mike, and truly respect your effort to walk between the middle on this subject.
However, alot of the negatives didn't get mentioned and few on this website have mentioned them, such as the relationship with Russia. There is the largest military base outside of the former Soviet Union there and Russia is justifying the presence of all these warships as a way of allowing Russian military personnel to escape when a US airstrike occurs.
This, like all military actions in that region, will result in more resentment and more violence, not less. Almost all of our interventions in the Middle East, from removing Iran's democratically elected leader and installing the Shah in the 1950s all the way to Iraq in 2003, have had horrible consequences. It is very strange that people think this will be different.
by Orion on Sat, 09/07/2013 - 2:44am
Elaborate a little for me about the implications of this. Are we using Syria to poke at Russia? Is Russia just doing in Syria what we do all over the world where we have strategic bases? To what extent do you consider Russia and the U.S. rivals and to what extent partners?
by Michael Maiello on Sat, 09/07/2013 - 9:19am
It's becoming increasingly clear that nothing is going to happen until the U.N. report comes in (as well as U.S. Congress voting) and the U.N. will surely also go through the steps of a meeting and a vote on what to do about the report:
And Francois Hollande said on Friday (from NYTimes' Obama Falls Short on Wider Backing for Syria Attack):
That means plenty more time for diplomacy, lobbying, actors pressuring other actors and actors coming up with alternate suggestions.
I would like to point out that there's no way any of this would have happened without the U.S. administration continuing to make aggressive threats.
I am increasingly convinced that we are dealing with the same old community organizer "make me do it" Obama. He was uncomfortable with it at first, as many have pointed out even to the point of ridicule, then he decided (freaking out his main staff in the process) that he was going to make it another "make me do it":
Kerry drew the short straw and has to be the one who has to continue to play the most aggressive role in the Kabuki theater of U.S. threats. (he spews talking points over and over, the one about Obama having the power to do the bombing without approval but more so the one that stands out is: no boots on the ground, I mean it now, zero boots, did I say no boots....when Fineman points out to him that in the Senate resolution it just says no combat troops, not no boots,he replies There will be no American forces on the ground for any purpose. When Fineman replies Well, why does it say "for combat operations"? he answers I have no idea !)
While Obama does the community organizer holding a prosecutor vs. defense attorney advocate thing with Putin at the G 20:
Even Putin admitted it (from NYTimes' Obama Falls Short on Wider Backing for Syria Attack):
by artappraiser on Sat, 09/07/2013 - 11:14am
Just found the more sophisticated form of the Kerry talking points here, "a senior State Department official" talking to Michael Gordon @ NYTimes. Gordon says
The points were:
by artappraiser on Sat, 09/07/2013 - 12:42pm
That people are making so much about Kerry saying that Obama can act even if Congress refuses to authorize is so theatrical. As you say, this is Kerry's role -- play the activist hard ass. But it is also, in light of everything we have lived through post Viet Nam, undoubtedly true. If Congress says no, I doubt that Obama will actually act. But does he have the legal authority to launch limited strikes from afar? I don't think that anybody doubts that he does.
by Michael Maiello on Sat, 09/07/2013 - 8:48pm