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    MIRANDA

    Earl Warren


    In office
    October 2, 1953[1] – June 23, 1969

     

    Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 (1966)

    REASONING: (Warren, C.J.) Yes. When a person is taken into custody or otherwise deprived of his freedom, the following warnings must be given: he has the right to remain silent; that anything he says can be used against him in a court of law; that he has the right to have an attorney present; and if he cannot afford an attorney one will be appointed for him.Conviction reversed.

    http://www.4lawschool.com/criminal/miranda.htm

    People do not understand that individuals were in no way protected by the Bill of Rights against enforcement of laws by state officials prior to the thirties. And there was no warning made by state officials until this case was handed down.

    Gideon v. Wainwright, 372 U.S. 335 (1963) had already established that you are entitled to an attorney in any criminal prosecution that involved jail time.

    And many cases established that the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution incorporated the Bill of Rights, thereby making those rights applicable to everybody over the last hundred years.

    Every U.S. jurisdiction has its own regulations regarding what, precisely, must be said to a person arrested or placed in a custodial situation. The typical warning states:

    You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to speak to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you. Do you understand these rights as they have been read to you?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning

    The U.K is not without a constitution regardless of what you have been told.

    There are a series of documents, some going back 600 years that a sitting judge will refer to with regard to individual rights instead of the one document we refer to; although ours has been amended many times; of course quoting most recent cases citing those documents. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Constitution

    My Criminal Procedure book says the UK version (known as a "caution") goes like this: "You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defense if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you say may be given in evidence." In addition, the suspect has a right to "independant legal advice" that is "free of charge." http://ask.metafilter.com/26898/Whats-the-Miranda-warning-called-in-countries-where-Miranda-never-happened-or-is-it-called-anything-at-all

    Times change and warnings change. Our Department of Justice is rethinking these old Miranda Rights some 45 years later.

    As demonstrated most recently after the attempted terrorist bombings on 12/25 and in Times Square last spring, law enforcement has the ability to question suspected terrorists without immediately providing Miranda warnings when the interrogation is reasonably prompted by immediate concern for the safety of the public or the agents. Because of the complexity of the threat posed by terrorist organizations and the nature of their attacks -- which can include multiple accomplices and interconnected plots -- we have formalized guidance that outlines the appropriate use of the well-established public safety exception to providing Miranda rights. To ensure that law enforcement is aware of the flexibility that the law gives them in these circumstances, the guidance has been distributed to relevant agencies.

    We have a responsibility not only to the American people to do everything in our power to prevent attacks, but also to our law enforcement personnel to inform them of all the tools at their disposal to do their jobs. The terrorist threat against the United States continues to evolve in ways that present more complicated and dangerous challenges than we have faced in the past. We must continue to do everything in our power to prevent attacks, confront the terrorist threat head-on, and secure our country, and we will do so in a way that is consistent with the rule of law. h/tpmmuckraker

    This is all from our new Attorney General, at least for the last two years. This is a threat that Miranda may not always apply to those charged with a crime. The 14th Amendment guarantees are threatened.

    A blogger from Arlington, Massachusetts has had his gun license temporarily suspended after he wrote a disturbing post regarding the Tucson shootings and Rep. Gabrielle Giffords titled, “1 Down 534 To Go.”

    According to WBZ-TV, which reviewed the blog, the “1” refers to Giffords while the “534” refers to all members of Congress — both Democrat and Republican. The blog site was not operational at the time of this story’s publication.

    “It is absolutely, absolutely unacceptable to shoot indiscriminately. Target only politicians and their staff and leave regular citizens alone,” 39-year-old Travis Corcoran — who owns a comic book store — reportedly wrote on the blog.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/1-down-534-to-go-bloggers-gun-license-suspended-after-threatening-post/

    And check out this companion piece. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/1-down-534-to-go-bloggers-gun-license-suspended-after-threatening-post/

    This asshole blogger is an example that can be used by the right wing bastards who scream law and order for why our First Amendment protections are severely a threat to our nation.

    But the right wingers, with Lieberman and McCain kissing each others lollipops, wish to redefine certain concepts.

    On March 4, 2010, Sen. John McCain introduced S.3081, The “Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010.”

    Sen. McCain’s S.3081 would eliminate several Constitutional protections allowing Government to arbitrarily pick up Americans on mere suspicion—with no probable cause. Your political opinions and statements made against U.S. Government could be used by Authorities to deem you a “hostile” “Enemy Belligerent” to cause your arrest and indefinite detention. S.3081 is so broadly written innocent anti-war protesters and Tea Party Groups might be arrested and detained just for attending demonstrations.

    .3081 if passed will frighten Americans from speaking out. S.3081 is so broadly written, it appears any “individual” who writes on the Internet or verbally express an opinion against or an entity of U.S. Government or its coalition partners might be detained on the basis he or she is an “unprivileged enemy belligerent”, “supporting hostilities against U.S. Government.” custody.

    So I have come up with a revised Miranda Warning that may be more relevant today. 

    You have the right to remain silent.

    (Of course if you take advantage of these rights you may find yourself charged, convicted and sentenced for Obstruction of Justice.)

    (Oh and if we believe that you have been involved in a conspiracy to terrorize, if you have ever written anything that could be taken as a terrorist threat, and you choose to remain silent you may find yourself in some Turkish prison where no one speaks English anyway and does not give a rats ass if you speak or not)

    (Oh and this lawyer thing. Well when we tell you that if you cannot afford an attorney one will be appointed for you, the term ‘afford’ may vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. We might appoint one for you but we will make you sell your home, your car, your coin collection and anything else you might own at the time of the arrest. And if you attempt to hide your assets we shall prosecute you for fraud and perjury.)

    (Oh and if you kind of look like a Muslim kind of guy or a mixed race kind of guy or….well fuck you, you deserve nothing and we will not even charge you. We will just keep you in a hole somewhere forever.)

    The end.

    Comments

    With liberty and Justice for all.

    Gentlemen, I find the law very explicit on murdering your fellow man, but there's nothing here about killing a Chinaman. Case dismissed.

    Hang 'em first, try 'em later

    You have been tried by twelve good men and true, not of your peers but as high above you as heaven is of hell, and they have said you are guilty.
    Roy Bean


    that's a great quote Resistance. I just watched that movie within the last month a couple of time. I went to Wiki besides other sources and you are dead on.

    It's a Hard Rain Gonna Fall!

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxZIg9ivOgw&feature=related

     


    . Laughing


    Dick, you and I know this legal stuff don't amount to a hill of beans as long as they don't take away our guns!   Guns are the one and only true freedom and the first freedom!


    hahhah. Don't you just love the expression: Gun Enthusiasts. hahahah


    The "appropriate use of the well-established public safety exception to providing Miranda rights"  makes fighting against changes to Miranda rights very difficult in the arena of public sentiment.  It is very difficult to argue that if law enforcement believe that the public is in danger by a group of individuals, these officials should first inform these "suspects" that they have a right to remain silent. 

    Just society has deemed that there are situations in which SWAT snipers or other law enforcement officials can execute someone during a hostage situation, there are actual situations where one could argue that there is an appropriate use of providing a public safety exception. What McCain is proposing, on the other hand, is beyond unreasonable. 

    Life would be easier if there were no exceptions to the rule, but in the messiness of trying to balance individual rights and the rights of the public as a whole there will always be a tension and a conflict.  The goal is not to lock into one extreme or the other.


    Oh it is a balancing act for sure and scores of Supreme Court decisions (even before the corporate fascist takeover of the court) that discuss balancing the interests of the public and the putative defendant. No doubt about it. Brennan was best at elucidating upon this principle. It does not matter which portion of the Bill of Rights one is defending, a balance must take place.

     

    And Lieberman's proposal with McCain is really dangerous, a dangerous road to take indeed.


    You have the right to remain silent.   

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima 

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Bell_Shooting_Incident 

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo 

    On the one hand, the guns were there to help capture the imagination of the people. But more important, since we knew that you couldn't observe the police without guns, we took our guns with us to let the police know that we have an equalizer.
    Bobby Seale 

    A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns.
    Mario Puzo

     


    Help Mi Randa,

    Help Help Mi Randa.... 

    Help Mi Randa!

    {Oops. Another case of..... misheard lyrics.}


    hahahahahah

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81BjS3k_FZ8

    hhahahahahahaah

    Oh Q they are just words.

    But I swear to my Almighty, that kThe Supremes just shone during the decades of the 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's. They were a beacon for a freedom humans have never ever had.

    And my God, I loved Earl Warren. ha


    About that blogger:

    Why does his so-called right to have a large weapons and ammunition cache trump my right to peacefully assemble without having to worry about nut-cases strutting around with 11 guns?

    Anyway, this guy thinks the government is unconstitutionally large and therefore political assassination is legitimate. Oh, and also, too, he thinks the country was founded on the idea that it's OK to shoot government officials. (Was that one of the amendments that didn't make it through ratification?)  Probably even better to shoot them while shopping at a Safeway so as not to mess up too much of an errand day.

    Brought to you via Think Progress [their emphasis]:

    In a Twitter exchange with reporter Laura Leslie, Corcoran lays out a conventional anti-government philosophy, and explains in depth why he views assassination as legitimate:

    “I assert that the US federal gov has grown unconstitutionally large, and the legislature exceeds the powers delegated to it by the people,” Corcoran wrote. “As per the Declaration of Indep, when a gov becomes destructive those ends, it may be abolished,” he continued, “and the most moral approach is that which spares the maximum number of lives. Thus, assasination is a legitimate tool.

    He goes on to further justify assassination as “morally legitimate,” citing “Catholic Just War doctrine” among other theories, and explains, “It’s illegal, yes, but it’s not un-American. America was founded on the idea of shooting gov officials. Lexington Concord!” In another tweet, he writes, “I disagree with murder. …but shooting politicians who pass illegitimate, unconstitutional laws is not murder.” And in case there’s any doubt about his sincery, he writes, “Nope, it’s not a joke. I’m 100% serious.”

    He also appears to be a fan of Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), re-tweeting a positive message about him in May: “Lefties: Before you start fringe-baiting Rand Paul, note that he’s better on civil liberties than most Democratic senators. And Obama.” He seems to dislike liberals, writing, “You so-called liberals make me laugh – you’re all for free speech until someone disagrees, then it’s ‘report him!’” He also accuses the Daily Kos of “Stalinism.”


    Oh Seashell, this is what makes me so angry. I am soooooooooooooo very filled with rage

    Any time someone feels that the call for assassination is pure, chaste, religious, justified....

    I go nuts.

    This blogger is no better than the psycho who killed 5, and maimed another 15 for life.

    I am so baffled by all of this. Because the possible defenses to our nation's terrorists are not even discussed by the repubs.

    Oh we cannot change our gun laws.

    Oh we cannot do anything about insanity.

    Oh we cannot do anything about clips that hold 31 bullets at a time--see O'Donnells cross examination of that prick last week.

    Morally legitimate. My Gawd!!!

    You know that beckerhead has called for the death of Moore.

    Rush has called for riots in the streets.

    Then they both claim they are comics.

    I AINT LAUGHIN ANYMORE. HA


    You know, this guy really pisses me off too. The Revolutionaries didn't just unilaterally start randomly killing British officials - they organized, met, voted, sent reprensetitives to a larger body and formed a consensus. And even then they didn't just start assasinating people. What these guys miss is that revolution must be a democratic process in order to be legitimate - otherwise it's simply murder. The recognition that a people has the right to throw off an oppressive government does not mean that individuals can just start killing adversaries when the political winds go a direction they don't like.

    And in many ways this blogger is far worse than the killer. Loughner (IMO) represents a tragedy - a failure of society to take care of it's own mentally ill which turned deadly. This guy is just trying to incite other people into committing murder. I'm surprised they didn't press charges against him.

    That said, I personally think O'Donnell is as big an asshat as the prick he cross examined. There is plenty of time for that bullshit - at least he could let Arizona bury their dead before wrapping himself in the blood of victims that never asked him to use their loss for his own political objectives. O'Donnell sucks.


    Damn ... my spelling has gone to crap.


    I beleive you have the opportunity to edit, until some responds


    That's only true for the verified folk.


    You need the "mark " of verified? Then become verified.

    It helps to be able to reconsider ones comments. When I do try to rework my comments, I still screw it up. 

    I am trying to make it less personal, instead of YOU's I am trying to depersonalize, it by referring to them. If "them" is the shoe that fits, so be it.

    I suppose I could invoke the right to remain silent? NAH  


    Our society is sick, and what is the cure? 

    Justice.........and because there is no justice for the lowly, so it is woe to a Nation.  

    (Isaiah 10:1-2) 10 Woe to those who are enacting harmful regulations and those who, constantly writing, have written out sheer trouble, 2 in order to push away the lowly ones from a legal case and to wrest away justice from the afflicted ones of my people, for the widows to become their spoil, and that they may plunder even the fatherless boys! 

    This is what happens when some people feel like they are in a pressure cooker. 

    To some degree it matters who's in office, but it matters more how much pressure they're under from the public.
    Noam Chomsky 

    And..

    ........................If we choose, we can live in a world of comforting illusion.
    Noam Chomsky

    "Without an advocate for the poor, without a new state of mind in America, the country lies on the brink of anarchy."
    Louis Farrakhan 

    Woe to the Nation 


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