The Bishop and the Butterfly: Murder, Politics, and the End of the Jazz Age

    Republican debate Oct 11--a serious take.

    Charlie Rose will moderate the GOP debate to be held on the Dartmouth college campus in Hanover, New Hampshire on Oct 11. Also on the panel will be Julianna Goldman, W.H. correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Karen Tumulty of the Washington Post.

    This debate may be a pivotal experience for the Republican contenders because it will focus on the economy and Charlie Rose and the panel will have at their disposal a Bloomberg Terminal. For those who don't know, this terminal is a coveted, high dollar mother lode of financial information. I don't know if the screens will be viewable by the television audience, but the presence of actual facts may sober up some of the participants.

    The other pivotal experience will be the actual debate audience. It will be made up primarily of Dartmouth students and faculty who have received tickets on a lottery system. Having been around Dartmouth campus in the all white male days of yesterday I am tempted to joke about the reputation of Dartmouth students--the primary weekend image being lying drunk in a snowbank. Fortunately, that's changed. Dartmouth is as coed and multicultural as is possible to imagine.

    I expect that the student audience will not embarrass the country and the Republican party with the kind of inexcusable behavior  evidenced in Simi Valley and Orlando. I rather think the audience will redeem America and that the intelligent questions may even uplift the discourse of candidates. But you never know whether a crazed zealot will slip through the door. Several years ago I attended a talk by the gay Episcopal Bishop of New Hampshire held in a chapel on the Dartmouth campus. There's nothing like a gay cleric to make the blood boil. Gene Robinson spoke eloquently of his religious faith and his outreach to inmates in a female prison. It was sometime before I realized that the guy standing in the trench coat nearby the whole time was a body guard who was packing.

    I think Charlie Rose has a challenge on his hands if he hopes to get anything factual out of this group of contenders. Using Perry as an example, he appeared on a CNBC interview last week (from a remote location) and couldn't handle direct questions from second stringers. When an interviewer had the audacity to follow up questions on social security, Perry's remote location went down. I think Perry is exceptionally vulnerable on his jobs claim. When you parse it he has actually under performed. Worse, 40 % of the jobs went to illegal aliens.

    As for Romney, I assume he will be well prepared for direct questions involving facts on economics. Cain is a mystery. He will get a chance to demonstrate if he knows anything about economics other than running a retail food chain which puts him way down the chain in terms of Fortune 500 CEO's as well as Nobel prize winners in economics.

    And what about Bachmann--we simply don't need taxes. Santorum, well he will trying to pivot to the evangelicals. And so forth. Hold on....

    Ron Huntsman. Hmm. He was a trade negotiator, actually negotiated deals. Governor. Ambassador to China. Most likely can read a financial balance sheet. Doesn't necessarily have to pull his punches for a tea party audience. But most probably he won't get many questions and if he does he will probably blow it by greeting the Chinese students in the audience in their native tongue.(i.e., "showing off")

    A distinction between "know" and "think". We know what these candidates think. We don't know if they know anything of substance. Matthew Dowd has been hanging around Charlie Rose and his schtick is that the only thing that counts is "passion". Let's hope that Charlie Rose dampens the passion enough to get some facts on the table. If I were one of those contenders I wouldn't be the least concerned about Christie getting into this debate. I would be worried about the Bloomberg Terminal getting into this debate. But maybe this stellar group of candidates doesn't know enough to think that.

    Update. It's very hard to have a serious debate, a serious election or even a serious blog with the circus distractions of Donald Trump and now, of course, Chris Christie--who has just announced--"now is not my time". Thanks. As he won't be on the New Hampshire stage, Tom Keane of Bloomberg Radio keeps pining for Chris Christie to join him in the broadcast booth. Perhaps that will add some levity to this upcoming debate.

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    Genghis, somehow managed to get a second title on the Readers blog list. Assume you can fix it. Thanks.


    Done. In future, you can delete your own post by clicking the edit tab at the top and then the delete button at the bottom, next to save and preview.


    Thanks.


    Every single time I read Ron Huntsman and Herb Cain... I just collapse in laughter.  I can't even keep the rest of this in my head I am still laughing so hard.


    Even if he becomes President we will still call him "Herb"


    Just in case anyone doesn't get the joke (I didn't until I Googled it), Sarah Palin has referred to Herman Cain as "Herb" multiple times now.


    The deceased Herb "Caen" having been the pulitzer prize winning columnist from San Francisco.


    Which Sarah Palin can almost see from her front porch in Alaska.


    Ha! And don't forget, she was a Journalism major. Something might have stuck.


    Having been around Dartmouth campus in the all white male days of yesterday I am tempted to joke about the reputation of Dartmouth students--the primary weekend image being lying drunk in a snowbank. Fortunately, that's changed. Dartmouth is as coed and multicultural as is possible to imagine.

    Now, you'll find multicultural coeds lying drunk in a snowbank... (Note: I'm extrapolating based on my knowledge of the University of Virginia and Georgia Tech.)


    I think they still know how to party. Not that I'm around them that much but these students are very impressive. Not only are they smart and play sports but they can most likely play the violin or sing.

    Oh, that reminds me, I recorded Episode 3 of the Singoff and I don't know if the Dartmouth Aires made it to the next round.


    cheekyOh, can you just imagine if the Bloomberg Terminal IS put up on a huge screen when one of the moderators chooses to use it to "debunk" an answer? That would be fantastic. I hope someone's thought of that - I'm actually looking forward to this debate, given the audience SHOULD be a mix of people who agree and disagree with the contenders (as it should be)

    BTW, it took me a while, but I finally figured out why all the GOP nominees are hopping over to NYC to kiss The Don's ring.

    ~I predict after this election, the entire lineup will be on the next season of The Apprentice. ~

    (Seriously, does anyone have any idea why they're all making a a point of visiting Trump? What am I missing?)


    Well, he did just open a vineyard near where I live... (or will, very shortly)


    As Pope bought North Carolina Trump wants to buy the rest of Virginia. I assume that the vineyard is the sizzle and the aim is to sell high end estates. Doesn't it gag you that that helicopter is tax deductable.


    That's a disturbing thought. I just hope that if he tries to buy Charlottesville, the Dave Matthews Band would outbid him.


    I think they fear his potential reprisals.


    RE: reprisals ~In the form of what? And how?

    Seriously, I don't understand the collective "get" here from the noms perspective, and other than having politicians bow at his feet and the publicity that goes with that, what's Donald's "get". There's got to be something there, but if you're right, this, to me, assumes they've all gotten together and said, "Let's pacify Donald so he doesn't go on TV and talk crap about us." Is that kind of what you mean?

    Truly, it's one of those weird things about this entire GOP carnival I don't understand. There's got to be something he wants from THEM and something they ALL want from him (and it's too much of a coincidence that they'd all show up, except for Palin, she's such a self-promotor, she'd show up at a Walmart opening if it gave her the opportunity to stand in front of a swaying crowd.) Though I'm pretty sure Ron Paul would chew off his left arm before deigning to dine with the Don. (alliteration alert!) blush

    It's probably something obvious and I'm missing it...


    Well, I do think it's partly fear--that he'll go on Fox News and trash them. For example, Limbaugh trashed Cain's position on the camp and Cain reversed immediately. Trump has some of the same kind of power. Also, since everyone else is doing it, who, except as you point out, Paul, is going to overlook it. Also, Trump knows he has media power and he is most likely extracting whatever he can from the candidates, using his potential power as a sword hanging over them. Trump's ego is to play king maker. He could singlehandedly keep Cain alive with the right comments and some money. Trump is known to be a cheap ass so I suspect he's not giving a great deal but I assume he can bundle quite a bit.

    But having said all of that, I agree, it seems we're missing something here. The worst part is realizing that a chump like Trump has the kind of power he has to be a king maker in anyone's party.

    I'm like you, I'm always curious about what the hell is really going on. Anyway, that's my arm chair take on the matter. (I knew a guy who had been in one of Trump's partnerships but I really can't print what he had to say about him)


    * He could singlehandedly keep Cain alive with the right comments and some money.*

     

    Yeah, see now this rings true for me. Makes sense.  Trump has media connections and money (though depending on who you talk to, other than him, I hear it's not as much as he'd like us to think and as you said, he's not handing it out hand over fist) - but you'd think that the GOP noms would get that the American voting public, for the most part, think Donald is a big blow-hard. Nobody takes him seriously - not "real people"... business people, media people, okay... so what it boils down to is that the GOP isn't remotely interested in what "real people (voters)" think, feel, want. As long as they are getting our votes - by way of repetitive disingenuous talking points that somehow seep into the collective consciousness by osmosis.

    It seems there is a HUGE disconnect with everyday Americans, what we think, feel and what's important to us, and what's happening inside the beltway, in politics and what's coming out of the mouths of pundits.  Now I know why most people I know don't even bother watching the news or keeping up with current political events.

    Because, for the most part, it doesn't seem that we matter all that much. What's going to happen is going to happen and though we'd love to believe our stop by the voting booth makes a difference, the sad reality is, it doesn't. Elections are bought and paid for, on both sides.

     


    I'm with you in sentiment but I do think our vote and what we say make a difference. I'm most excited about the Occupy Wall St. movement and see it as a kind of break through. And I think it may come into play in some of the questions in New Hampshire, particularly because it's a young audience.


    They all want to be on the next Celebrity Apprentice.


    Charlie Rose moderating?  The questions are bound to be longer than the answers.  Think the participants will get a chance to answer?


    Right. He can be very annoying. But he penetrates often enough to make it worth watching. I recorded his Buffett interview yesterday but haven't watched it as yet. The whole process could wind up being long soft balls which are whiffed, nothing achieved.

    One report was that Rose might ask all the questions, some having been penned by the others on the panel.

    An economist, Dr. Julia Coronado, Chief Economist at a bank is also going to be there. I'm not clear on whether she will ask questions. I heard her yesterday and she is a real expert on unemployment. And her position was that entitlements have become more "retirement plans" than "safety nets"--which should please the contenders. On the other hand she stated that we need a jobs program--can't have that now, can we? She really made a plea that a whole generation of young people is going to be lost if we don't do something about jobs. So if she gets a chance at a question and puts it in context of the lost opportunities with the younger generation, we might be getting somewhere.

    It's Matthew Dowd I can't tolerate.

    Charlie, well, let's hope he's up to it. Think about the responsibility of all those eager students, Charlie. And anyone of them knows more about economics than anyone on that stage--that's the pity of all of this.

     


    I've seen Rose interview Buffett before.  It will be softballs or rather just a chat between friends.  Rose obviously values the friendship more than tossing hardballs or gotchas.  Still, a chat between friends on important topics can be very interesting.

    Although Rose has some great guests, I rarely watch anymore.  Hus style is much too annoying for me.  Sad, but true.

     


    Well, you've convinced me this will be must see TV. smiley


    There is a kind of Eastern establishment flavor to all of this. I find it really interesting that Bloomberg has just come out with a damaging expose on the Koch brothers.


    War of civilizations!

    Some probably thinking why doncha Yankees leave us in peace to hold our primary our way, quit trying to resurrect Nelson Rockefeller types, all them other antifamily values liberal oligarch enemies, it took us decades to clean them out....take your Bloomberg terminals and shove 'em....we may elect Skull and Bones men but only if they know how to use a chainsaw on the back forty....


    I think you hit on the essential purpose of GWB--that he combined the Eastern Establishment  with West Texas schmaltz. None of these candidates comes close to being able to operate in both of those worlds. And there is a divide of cultures between the tea party types and the N.E. types.


    Thanks Artsy, I love it. I especially like one comment, "We had a tired puppy". I actually think that's paints a good picture of the guy.

    Meanwhile in Hanover a woman screamed at Michelle Bachman's bus for several hours.

    I'm listening to a Bloomberg Radio interview of the Dartmouth College President. He's of Japanese descent, is a public health expert.  
     


    Yeah the puppy line is what gave me the worst deja vus allover again to date. I remembered how W had to have his favorite pillow, couldn't take the stress without it.


    Herman Cain says he is ready for the gotchas

     

    In an interview with David Brody of the Christian Broadcasting Network, GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain compared his decision to run to that of Moses of burning bush fame –and declared himself ready for increased scrutiny:

    “I’m ready for the ‘gotcha’ questions and they’re already starting to come. And when they ask me who is the president of Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan I’m going to say you know, I don’t know. Do you know? And then I’m going to say how’s that going to create one job? I want to focus on the top priorities of this country. That’s what leaders do.

    “… Knowing who is the head of some of these small insignificant states around the world I don’t think that is something that is critical to focusing on national security and getting this economy going. When I get ready to go visit that country I’ll know who it is but until then I want to focus on the big issues that we need to solve.”

    Somewhere in Foggy Bottom, a diplomat just sighed.

    And maybe he is:

     

    Businessman Herman Cain has surged into the top tier of presidential candidates in Virginia, according to a new poll of the state, moving into a tie in the Republican nomination contest with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

    Texas Gov. Rick Perry has faded considerably.

    The Quinnipiac University Poll of Virginia released Tuesday shows Romney and Cain at 21 percent apiece among Republican voters, while Perry sits at 11 percent–less than half the support he registered in the same poll a month ago.

    Why?  Because GOP debate to put a focus on his '999' plan

     

    For the first time in the 2012 GOP presidential contest, metro Atlanta entrepreneur Herman Cain has worked himself into the center of a national debate.

    Tuesday’s GOP debate in New Hampshire, sponsored by Bloomberg News and the Washington Post, will be the fifth meeting of candidates, but the first to put a sole focus on the economy.

    The debate could go a long way toward telling us whether Cain’s “999” plan – a 9 percent corporate income tax, a 9 percent personal income tax, and a 9 percent national sales tax – will hold up to intense scrutiny.

    A spokesman for Dartmouth College, where the debate is to be held, said the candidates will be seated – no podium – according to their standings in a Bloomberg/Post national poll of 1,000 likely voters released Monday: Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney with 24 percent of the vote, Cain with 16 percent, and Texas Gov. Rick Perry at 13 percent.

    U.S. Reps. Ron Paul of Texas and Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, former House speaker Newt Gingrich, former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, and U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania finished in single digits – in that order.

     


    Somewhere in Foggy Bottom, a diplomat just sighed.

    Kinda reminds me of Ross Perot's statements along the lines of "we can hire someone to do that!" Nonetheless, I think they all might just now be practicing up on their pronounciation of Ahmadinejad if they know what's good for them. laugh